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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم 'In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful, Discrepancies regarding cleansing the temple, and the fig tree : Matthew: 21: (12- And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13- And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. 14- And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them. 15- And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the son of David; they were sore displeased, 16- And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise? 17 - And he left them, and went out of the city into Bethany; and he lodged there. 18- Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered. 19- And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. 20- And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away! 21- Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done). Mark : 11 (12- And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: 13- And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. 14- And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it. 15- And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; 16- And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. 17- And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. 18- And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine. 19- And when even was come, he went out of the city. 20- And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21- And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away. 22- And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. 23- For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24- Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them“. Discrepancies: 1- Matthew: Cleansing the temple by Jesus from the sellers and moneychangers happened before he passes by and curses the fig tree. 2- Mark: The story of the fig tree happened before cleansing the temple. 3- Matthew: Jesus passed by the fig tree, cursed it and the tree dried up in the same day. 4- Mark: Jesus passed by the fig tree, cursed it and on the next day, it dried up. Simple comment : Mark stated “for the time of figs was not yet”. So if Jesus is really God or Son of God, as said, isn’t it strange that he did not know that it was not the time of fig although the common people know such simple things! Also, he saw the fig tree afar off but did not see whether it has fig or not! The two bibles stated that such hungry god went to the tree but did not find fig, and cursed it! Cont …. |
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![]() بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم 'In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful, Unfulfilled Predictions
: A) Predicting the end of world in first Gregorian century :- Matthew: ( 10 : 1 – 23 ) (... 23- When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives). That is the return of Jesus to the earth will occur before his disciples finish evangelization in the cities of Israel, and before the death of those who lived in the era of Jesus in the first half of the first Gregorian century. Mathew 16: (27- For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 - Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom) In other words, the afore-mentioned texts confirm that the end of the world and the coming of Jesus again to Earth should occur before the death of the generation which lived in the first Gregorian Century. Matthew 24: (29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken 30- And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. ……. 34 - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled). Mark (13: 24-30) and Luke (21: 25-32) agreed with the narrative of Matthew regarding such predictions; however, nothing of them occurred as predicted by Matthew. As such, the predictions, which were attributed to Jesus in the Bibles about the end of the world in the first Gregorian century, were not fulfilled; thus, no one can argue or plead otherwise. B) Predicting that Judas the Betrayer will accompany Jesus in the Hereafter : Mathew 19: (27- Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28- And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel). Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve disciples to whom this prophecy was said, but after his betrayal to Jesus, he became known as (Son of Perdition) because he was expelled from accompanying Jesus in this Life and in the Hereafter. Accordingly, this prophecy was not and cannot be fulfilled. Cont …. |
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![]() سم الله الرحمن الرحيم 'In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful, A Predicting that Jesus will stay in tomb for three days and three nights : The summary of your reply in page (6) of your message, line (9) states: So Jesus raised on Sunday, in (the third day). Three days means three parts of such three days i.e. (Part of Friday + Saturday + part of the Sunday). In the past, they used to consider a part of day as one day. That is the way Christians understood it, and also, the Jews who addressed Jesus, and we nowadays also understood it like that. But what about the three nights mentioned by Jesus: (... and three nights, so shall it be ..... and three nights). How do you calculate these three nights!! It is Friday night + Saturday Night + a missing night which is Sunday night!... Predicting that Jesus will stay in tomb for three days and three nights : The Jews asked Jesus to let them see a sign. Mathew 12: (38-Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying, “Teacher, we wish to see a sign from you.” 39- But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40- For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth). Such statement is common in all bibles and was mentioned in most of them. Mark mentioned it in (8:31, 9:31 and 10:34). It is mentioned by Luke with significant difference, which is: Luke 11: (29- And as the crowds were thronging together, He began to say, This generation is an evil generation; it seeks a sign, and a sign shall not be given to it except the sign of Jonah. 30- For even as Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites, so also will the Son of Man be to this generation). The three days mentioned also by John (2:19). In the Book of Jonah we read the story of Jonah as the following : Jonah 1:17 (Now the LORD provided a huge fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights) Jonah 2 (1- In my distress I called to the Lord, and he answered me 10- and the LORD commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land). In order to fulfil such prophecy, the one who was crucified should remain in his tomb three days and three nights; however, the Bibles mentioned that the crucified person was taken from the cross Friday’s evening (The day of crucifixion), and then : (When evening had fallen, since it was the day of preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath. 43- Joseph, the honorable member of the Council, from Arimathea, who was also himself awaiting the kingdom of God, came; and gathering courage, he went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 44- And Pilate marveled that He had already died, and calling to him the centurion, he questioned him whether He had been dead long. 45- And when he found out from the centurion, he granted the corpse to Joseph. 46- And Joseph purchased a piece of fine linen, took Him down, and wrapped Him in the fine linen. And he laid Him in a tomb which was hewn out of rock and rolled a stone against the door of the tomb). (Mark 15:42-46) The disciples and followers of Jesus found the tomb empty in the early hours of Sunday Dawn. Matthew 28: (1- Now late on the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary the Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave….. 5- And the angel answered and said to the women…. 6- He is not here, for He has been raised). John 20:1 (Now on the first day of the week, Mary the Magdalene came early to the tomb while it was yet dark and saw the stone taken away from the tomb) By calculating the days and nights, we find the following : - The number of days spent by the dead person in his tomb is 1 day only (Saturday). - The number of nights spent by the dead person in his tomb is just two nights (Saturday night and part of Sunday night). Accordingly, it is impossible to fulfill the prophecy of staying in the tomb for three days and three nights. Cont …. |
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![]() بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم 'In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful, 1) Anointing Jesus’s body with spikenard:- Ø (Mark 14: 1 After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. 2- But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar of the people. 3- And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head. 4- And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made? 5- For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her). Ø (Mathew) mentioned this incident in (26: 6-9) and also Luke (7: 36 – 39 “And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat…..“) and (John 12: 1-6). The discrepancy between the Bibles: Place of incident: a) In the house of Simon the leper (Mark & Mathew). b) In Pharisee’s house (Luke). c) In the house of brothers Lazarus, Mary and Martha (John). Who is the woman? a) Unknown (Mark & Mathew). b) Sinner woman (Luke). c) Believing woman i.e. Mary the sister of Lazarus (John). What did she do? a) She anointed Jesus’s head with spikenard. (Mark & Mathew). b) She anointed his legs with pure nard (Luke & John). Reaction of onlookers: a) They had indignation for wasting anointment (Mark). b) The disciples were indignant (Mathew). c) Pharisee wondered whether Jesus knows who and what sort of woman touching him, (Luke). d) Judas Iscariot was indignant for wasting (John) 2) Preparing Last Supper:- Ø Mark: 14 (12 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, “Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?” 13 And he sent two of his disciples and said to them, “Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him, 14 and wherever he enters, say to the master of the house, ‘The Teacher says, Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ 15 And he will show you a large upper room furnished and ready; there prepare for us.” 16 And the disciples set out and went to the city and found it just as he had told them, and they prepared the Passover. 17 And when it was evening, he came with the twelve.) Ø Matthew : 26: (17 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Where will you have us prepare for you to eat the Passover?” 18 He said, “Go into the city to a certain man and say to him, ‘The Teacher says, My time is at hand. I will keep the Passover at your house with my disciples.’” 19 And the disciples did as Jesus had directed them, and they prepared the Passover. Here we observe the following:- There is difference between (Mathew) and (Mark) regarding the story of preparing for supper: 1) Mark: He sent two disciples to prepare the supper. 2) Matthew: He made all disciples prepare the supper. 3) The writer of the verse No. (Mark 14:17 when it was evening, he came with the twelve) knows nothing about the journey of the two disciples mentioned in the verse No. (14:13). Should he knows the content of such verse (14:17), he would surely have written (He came with the Ten), instead of (the twelve) i.e. verse (14:17) should be read as the following: (And when it was evening, he came with the ten). Cont …. |
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![]() 4) Timing of last supper:-
According to Matthew (26: 17- 19), Mark (14: 12-17) and Luke (22: 7-8), the last supper was the Passover; however, John (18:28) states that the Passover was in the evening after the death of Jesus. (John 18: 28- Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; they wanted to be able to eat the Passover). John states that the last supper attended by Jesus with his disciples took place before the Passover. John 13: (1-5 Now before the feast of the Passover, ……. And supper being ended, ……. and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded). John states also that they led Jesus in the evening of day preceding the Passover. John 18: (28- Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; they wanted to be able to eat the Passover). The discrepancy between of Bibles in respect of last supper and its timing resulted in difference in an essential point regarding the crucifixion case. Now if we adopt the narrative of (Mark, Mathew and Luke) it means that Jesus had eaten the Passover with his disciples in Thursday evening, and little later on, in the same evening of Thursday, he was led/captured. As such, the crucifixion took place on Friday. But if we adopt the narrative of (John), it would mean that Jesus was led on Wednesday evening and the crucifixion took place on Thursday. So, did the crucifixion take place on Thursday or Friday? Where is the Bible that was revealed by Allah to Jesus? Where is the Bible of Jesus himself? The four Bibles we have involved discrepancy in almost each incident and each story. Why is there difference between texts and narratives from one Bible to another? If the present Bibles were really a pure revelation from Allah, they would be no discrepancy or difference, and would be one Bible only, not four. Paul Thessalonians1 .. (2:9- For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.) Where is the Gospel of God mentioned by Paul? He did not say the Bible of Mathew, Luke, Mark or John, but said the Gospel of God. i.e. the bible revealed by God to Jesus. Where is that Bible/Gospel? Paul says: (Romans 1: 16- For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek) Where is the Gospel of Christ mentioned by Paul? Now we have four well-known Bibles. Paul stated ranks for “Salvation” and mentioned only the Jews and Greek, but did not mentioned the other nations. We noticed that the word “Greek” is added by Paul himself, because it was not mentioned in the four Bibles. It is invented by Paul! What about the Italian, French and Spanish People? Would they have such salvation?! The lack of accuracy proves that it is man-made words and expressions.. it is from the mind of Paul hiThe era of writing the Bibles was full of falsification and alteration. At that time, any one could have claimed that he follows Jesus and tells that his words are inspiration from God, and that (Suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance Acts 2: 1-4), and he will easily find followers, disciples, and supporters. mself, not a revelation from Allah. That alteration and falsification is evident in the statement of Paul (Galatians 1: 6- marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel 7- Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.) It is also evident in (2 Corinthians :11: 12- But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13- For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ) But, is there a Bible other than these Bibles that can be deemed as reliable “reference or origin” for the Christians? The four Bibles contained expressions or references to certain gospel that is attributed sometimes to Jesus as Son of God, and sometimes attributed to God and sometimes attributed to the Kingdom of God. In Matthew 4: 23(And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, ….. ) In Mark 1: (14- Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15- And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. ) Paul (Romans 1:9- For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers ![]() It is clear that there is a Bible other than the four Bibles .These Bibles were not there when Jesus talked about such bible/gospel. The four Bibles were attributed to their writers; so, we say Mathew’s Bible, Luke’s Bible .... etc. but the afore-mentioned Bible/Gospel was expressly attributed to Jesus.. Dear brother, Jesus came to save people from ignorance and sins according to the divine teachings and by acting as good example; not through death on the cross or sacrifice his life as an atonement for their sins. when a young man came and asked Jesus: (Mathew 19: 16- And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?) He did not mention any thing about sacrifice or power of forgiveness in his blood; contrary, his reply was similar to all other Prophets (Mathew 19: 17 - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments). He told him to comply with teachings of Allah because in Jesus’s opinion that is the way to an eternal life. We can get salvation by believing in Allah, doing of goodness and suppressing evil; not by thinking that Jesus is the Savior nor by believing in his blood atonement. Dear brother, People automatically inherit religion from their parents, whether Jewish, Buddhist, Christian or Muslim. Though most of them know little about their religions, they have religion sectarianism. A logical man should get rid of such religion sectarianism and inherited beliefs. He should be objective and think only in the truth. Religion is not money or property which a son inherits from his father. Religion is something that comes after diligent search and contemplation. My father and yours were not prophets; they were human beings who can be right or wrong. So let’s think and verify whether they were following the right belief or not. If we found that they were following the wrong way, let’s search for the right way which will surely lead us to paradise; not to the hell. May the Almighty Allah show us the right path and guide us to the truth. |
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![]() Dear brother,
The Children of Israel received the news of Jesus’s miraculous birth with a big fuss although they were aware of his birth without masculine intervention. Also, they taught their daughters that it is a great honor for any of them to be pregnant with Jesus, but at the same time accused Marry with adultery though she was selected by the Almighty Allah. They made the same fuss upon the death of Jesus. Jesus was born in miraculous manner, that is without masculine intervention. Similarly, the Almighty Allah told us that the Children of Israel decided to kill Jesus but Allah raised Jesus to Him. So again, the end of Jesus was miraculous. Since we believed that his birth was extraordinary, why don’t we believe that his end was also extraordinary? The birth of Jesus was beyond the limits of our imagination. We would not have known that if the Almighty Allah did not tell us about it. And so the death of Jesus, again it was beyond the limits of our imagination, and we have to believe it because the Almighty Allah told us about the same. Both of the birth and end of Jesus were miraculous. Jesus entered this life in miraculous manner… why not to end in a miraculous manner?! Allah said in the holy Quran ((4:157 - …they slew him (Jesus) not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them..)). The phrase “But appeared so unto them” proves that the murderers did not verify the character of the murdered man, which is expected in such cases, where things get confused as mentioned before. In our daily life, it happens that a big number of people witness and see an incident; however, their narratives or testimonies vary although the incident might be recorded, let aside such an incident which took place in the old ages where the parameters are different from the ones in our today’s life. Consequently, it is natural that such narratives are contradictory and conflicting regarding such incident. However, the plain truth is said by the Almighty Allah ((4:157 - …they slew him (Jesus) not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain..)) The holy Quran which was revealed to Prophet Mohammad, peace be upon him, states ((4:157 - …they slew him (Jesus) not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them…. 158- Rather, Allah raised him to Himself.)). As believers, we believe that Allah raised Jesus and the matter is over; we don’t question the particular details, but we believe in all things coming from the Almighty Allah. When Allah says something we believe it without questioning.. Now, when the Children of Israel alleged that they killed Jesus, the Almighty Allah refuted their statement by saying: ((4:157 - …they slew him (Jesus) not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. 158- Rather, Allah raised him to Himself.)) Allah said that there were not sure that they have killed Jesus Christ. They were uncertain and did not really verify whether they killed Jesus or the person who was made to resemble him. Then Allah confirmed that they did not kill him, for certain. Finally, the matter is not to win an argument or to prevail over each other; contrary, it is searching for the truth and correcting wrong beliefs to win the hereafter. التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة AL-ATHRAM ; 05-30-2024 الساعة 10:40 PM |
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![]() 'In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful, “And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.(157). Surah Nisa
"But [another] was made to resemble him to them" You said that no one denies Jesus's descendant except a disbeliever and these are delusions that you invented. As well as you allowed things that are not permissible to the non-Arabs (Ajami). I Swear by Allah, you are in doubt about him. You have no knowledge except to follow doubt. What is the meaning of Judas Iscariot saying, one of the disciples of Jesus who turned away from you, when he went out with the Jews. He told them that he was ashamed of him and therefore he would make the commanding on him since you did not know him personally. So, what did you do? This testifies that the Jews did not know him and this is stipulated in your Gospel, as well that when they surrounded Jesus and those with him, he went out to them and said: “Who are you looking for?” They answered him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I am he.” ( John 18: 4-5) They looked at "Judas" and asked about the signal they agreed with him on, so they arrested him. In your opinion, how did you believe the situation, as you recounted, that it had been baptized to others - where he did not know him - and Allah raised him as Enoch raised the Prophet. “Enoch walked with God, and he was not found, for God took him. (Genesis 5:24) Perhaps you have believed Judas Iscariot in his saying to him and in the text of your Gospel that he is an apostate, a disbeliever, and a cursed. His testimony is therefore not permissible. Or perhaps when he saw him and remorse, he put the commanding over other students and the student rushed to protect him himself. The proof of this possibility is that in the text of your Gospel, which is in your hands, " Judas Iscariot " was then repent and returned to them the thirty dirhams with which he had sold him. In addition, he informed them that he was not the one arrested. The Jews said: “What is that to us? “ (Matthew 27: 3-4) So, the Jews killed a man _by the proof of your record _ and they only knew him with the testimony of Judas Iscariot. Allah Almighty can create a similarity to everything in the world. All the attributes of Jesus have parables in the space of possibility in nothingness that can be created in a place other than the body of Jesus, so the likeness occurs. Saying similarities is saying something possible, not what is not necessary. This is supported by the Torah states that Allah Almighty created the snake from Moses' staff and it's greater than the similarities. Making an animal looks like an animal closer than making a plant look like an animal. The transformation of Moses's staff to a snake is what the Jews and Christians agreed upon. They also agreed on the transformation of the fire for Ibrahim cold and peace and the transformation of the water to wine. So, if you possible this, you may also possible the similarity without impossibility. Moreover, the Gospel speaks that Jesus arose between the Jews in their seasons and festivals. He was preaching, teaching, and debating them till they admired his innocence and knowledge. So, they were saying: Is it not Joseph's son? Is it not Mary's son? Is not his brothers with us? Where did he get this wisdom? If he was well known, why did the Bible stipulate that when they wanted to arrest him, they did not question it. until they paid one of his disciples, Judas, thirty dirhams to guide them to it. He came on Friday night, April 13, with a group of Jews with swords and sticks. The aforementioned disciple said to them: “Whoever I kiss, he is the one. Seize him.” Immediately he came to Jesus, and said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him. Jesus said to him, “Friend, why are you here?” Then they came and laid hands on Jesus, and took him .. Then all the disciples left him and fled. But Peter followed him from a distance to the court of the high priest, and entered in and sat with the officers, to see the end. The high priest answered him, “I adjure you by the living God that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, “You have said so. Nevertheless, I tell you, after this you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of the sky.” (Matthew 26: 48-66). And Luke says: “66 As soon as it was day, the assembly of the elders of the people were gathered together, both chief priests and scribes, and they led him away into their council, saying, 67 “If you are the Christ, tell us.” But he said to them, “If I tell you, you won’t believe, 68 and if I ask, you will in no way answer me or let me go” (Luke 22) They asked the arrested person if he was Jesus. Why the question, does not indicate their doubt about the identity of the arrested person?! This is an important point to pay attention to. What was the answer of the arrested person when they asked him, he said: "You said" This is similar to what we say when we do not agree with what we hear "This is what you say." That is, the arrested person did not admit that he was Jesus. Luke says that the arrester's answer was: “ If I tell you, you won’t believe, and if I ask, you will in no way answer me or let me go “ What does this answer mean? If the arrested is Jesus, what if he tells them and they do not believe him?! They are looking for Jesus and want to arrest him. This answer must be someone other than Jesus. If the arrested told them that he was not Jesus, they would not have believed him because he looked like Jesus and they are ready to arrest Jesus. Moreover, if that person asked them to release him, they would not have agreed because they thought or wanted him to be Jesus and because his answer is implausible to them because of the similarity of his features with Jesus and the disappearance of Jesus. There is no doubt this confusion with the well-known are for many years in dialogues and arguments. All indicate the occurrence of similarity, especially in the Bible. On a dark night in an orchard when his image is distorted and his beauty is changed by beating pulling and types of punishment. Such a situation must not be confused between the thing and the other, as well as between the thing and its likeness. Where do you or the Jews get the assurance that the crucified is Jesus, not his likeness? Rather, speculation took place, as Allah Almighty said. “And they did not kill him, for certain. (157) Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.(158).” Surah Nisa Jews are not sure because they relied on the saying of "Judas". So, what is the need for you to prove the types of insult and punishment against the Lord of lords on your claim? This is the wonder. Then, in the Bible as well: that Jesus was with his disciples in the orchard when the Jews came in to request. “went out and said to them, “Who are you looking for?” They answered him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I am he.” (John 18: 4*8). He hid his person from them twice and they deny his image. This is nothing but evidence of resemblance, and raising Jesus. Some of you have said that Jesus gave the power of transformation from image to image. Matthew said in his Gospel: “31 Then Jesus said to them, “All of you will be made to stumble because of me tonight, for it is written, ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’* 32 But after I am raised up, I will go before you into Galilee.” 33 But Peter answered him, “Even if all will be made to stumble because of you, I will never be made to stumble.” 34 Jesus said to him, “Most certainly I tell you that tonight, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three times.” (Matthew 26) He testified against them with suspicion. Rather, he testified against their choice, " Peter ". He is his successor over them. At that time, the trust in your words was sealed, and decided to cast the similarity on the other than Jesus, and the words of the truth, Glory be to Him, were correct: “ And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.(157). Surah Nisa Hence, we know that these Gospels are not conclusive, as I have presented to you, they contain many differences and doubts. Further clarify, remember what "Judas" did, and that he lied in his saying to the Jews. This is indicated by the appearance of remorse for him. And the saying of Jesus: Friend, why are you here? If he was insisting on corrupting, why he called a friend. Then, do not forget that the Bible testified that Jesus testified to the twelve disciples with happiness: “ when the Son of Man will sit on the throne of his glory, you also will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Matthew 19: 28). His testimony is right. There is no doubt that the happy person does not commit the large corruption, if he embarks on it. And "Judas" is one of the twelve happy people. Accordingly: Either that "Judas" did not indicate it, Jesus did not speak the truth, or that your record has been distorted and replaced. So, choose for you one of these. to be continued... By: Al-Athram التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة AL-ATHRAM ; 06-12-2024 الساعة 12:04 AM |
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![]() In the name of God, the most gracious, the most merciful ** The crucifixion issue.. Firstly, let us discuss an important and vital matter, that is to say the crucifixion issue. One of the miracles of Holy Quran is that it absolutely negated the crucifixion of Jesus in one verse and one context. Verse (4:157) of the Noble Quran states: ((And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; Only a likeness of that was shown to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain)). But when refuting other wrong beliefs, like (“Allah is Jesus”) or (Jesus is Allah’s son), the Noble Quran refuted and corrected such wrong beliefs in several verses and contexts, as the same are definitely deemed flagrant atheism. allocated to emphasize monotheism (Oneness of Allah) as first and foremost step for belief, and that was summarized in one conclusive and inclusive chapter, that is chapter 112 (Surat Al-Ikhlas), which says: ((1- Say: He is Allah, The one; 2- Allah, the Eternal, Absolute, 3- He begetteth not, Nor is He begotten, 4- And there is none like unto Him)). Now if we argued that Quran was not revealed by Allah or was invented by Prophet Mohammad, it will be more appropriate for Prophet Mohammad to adopt the idea of crucifixion in order to increase his followers, as such idea was common. And by that, he would also have attracted and persuaded the Christians, and would have overcome a lot of challenges and obstacles that prevent them from accepting Islam. In fact, it is easy for a Christian person to transform from certain Christian sect to another because such sects share many common ideologies. Also, in the past, a lot of Roman pagans converted to Christianity when they found many common ideologies between Christianity and their doctrines. Such as the concept of incarnated god, as well as other ideas and rituals, as I will demonstrate in detail hereinafter. However, a Christian converting to Islam is not as easy as the afore-mentioned situations; contrary, it is deemed a revolution in his life and belief because it changes and corrects many inherited concepts and beliefs. The Noble Quran did not go a long with the wrong tenets and beliefs of Christians; contrary, it has clearly corrected them; for example, believing that (God is Jesus himself) or (Jesus is God’s Son) is deemed an unforgivable disbelief and atheism. In the context of talking about killing Jesus in the Noble Quran, verse 4:155 states: ((And We cursed them (The Jews) for their breaking of the covenant and their disbelief in the signs of Allah and their killing of the prophets without right)). It did not state that Jesus was killed although the context is talking about Jesus and about the crimes of the Jews who used to kill prophets. The Noble Quran has completely negated that Jesus was killed or crucified, because that did not happen actually. The Noble Quran does not say except the truth, whether such truth conforms to the old or inherited beliefs or not. Before proceeding to discuss crucifixion and other issues, I would like to share an important rule that governs all issues and matters, that is “Anything that involves doubts or uncertainties cannot be taken as evidence”. According to the rules of justice, if the testimonies of two witnesses contained discrepancy or inconsistency, the judge shall disregard such two testimonies, unless a third witness comes and confirms the testimony of any of them; otherwise, there will be no justice. Now, let us discuss the story crucifixion as narrated in the Bibles. The story started by talking about the attempts to kill Jesus and ended by handing a person on the cross, crying helpless, followed by shrouding and burying him. 1- Judas agreed with the Jews and priests to deliver Jesus to them:- The Gospels differed on this simple incident, which is considered an introduction to the events of the crucifixion. The Gospel of Mark 14 says: “1 After two days it was the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take Him by trickery and put Him to death. 2 But they said, "Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar of the people." 3 And being in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper, as He sat at the table, a woman came having an alabaster flask of very costly oil of spikenard. Then she broke the flask and poured it on His head. 4 But there were some who were indignant among themselves, and said, "Why was this fragrant oil wasted? 5 " For it might have been sold for more than three hundred denarii and given to the poor." And they criticized her sharply.” Matthew mentioned this incident in (26:6-9), Luke in (7:36-39), and John in (12:1-6), with differences between them in its timing and main elements. Nineham says about this story: ** We find St. John mentioning it a few days earlier than St. Mark. Likewise, St. Luke places it in a completely different context in Jesus' life. While in the Gospel of Mark it occurred in the home of Simon the leper from the village of Bethany, in the Gospel of John it occurred in the home of Mary, Martha, and Lazarus (Commentary on the Gospel of Mark, p. 370). The differences between the Gospels regarding this story can be summarized as follows: Location of the incident: In the house of Simon the leper (Mark and Matthew) - (In the house of the Pharisee’s (Luke) - In the house of the brothers Lazarus, Mary and Martha (John). The woman's character: Unknown (Mark and Matthew) - A sinner (Luke) - A righteous woman, Mary, the sister of Lazarus (John). What did you do? I anointed Jesus' head with perfume (Mark and Matthew) - I anointed his feet with perfume (Luke and John). Viewers' reaction: Some were outraged by her extravagance (Mark) - The disciples were outraged (Matthew) - The Pharisee questioned himself about Jesus' knowledge of the woman's identity (Luke) - Judas Iscariot was outraged by her extravagance (John). 2- Preparing for the last supper: Mark says: “12 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His disciples said to Him, "Where do You want us to go and prepare, that You may eat the Passover?" 13 " And He sent out two of His disciples and said to them, "Go into the city, and a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him. 14 Wherever he goes in, say to the master of the house, 'The Teacher says, "Where is the guest room in which I may eat the Passover with My disciples?" ' 15 Then he will show you a large upper room, furnished and prepared; there make ready for us." 16 So His disciples went out, and came into the city, and found it just as He had said to them; and they prepared the Passover. 17 In the evening He came with the twelve. “Mark 14 “ Nineham says: ** Most commentators believe that this passage, verses 12-16, was in fact a later addition to the narrative that Saint Mark follows in this part of his Gospel. Among the reasons for this belief are the following: 1- Describe the day on which the story is said to have taken place in a style not used by the average Jew who was a contemporary of it. 2- Jesus’ followers are described in every paragraph of this chapter (the fourteenth) as his disciples, while they are referred to insistently in this paragraph as the twelve. 3- The writer of verse (17) who says: "And when evening came, he came with {the twelve}" does not know anything about the journey of the two disciples mentioned in verse 13. If the writer of verse 17 had known the contents of that passage, he would have been talking about: {the ten, not the twelve}. That is, verse 17 should have read as follows: “And when evening came, he came with the ten.” (Interpretation of the Gospel of Mark: p. 379) Matthew differs from Mark in the story of preparing for the supper, as he makes all the disciples - as John Fenton says on page 414 of his commentary - participate in this preparation. He says: Jesus said to his disciples, “Go into the city to a certain man and say to him, ‘The Teacher says, “My time is near. I will celebrate the Passover at your house with my disciples.” So the disciples did as Jesus had commanded them and prepared the Passover. (26:17-19) 3 - The timing of the Last Supper and its impact on the crucifixion issue: John Fenton says: “Matthew (26:17-19) agrees with Mark (14:12-17) and Luke (22:8) that the Last Supper was the Passover. On the contrary, the Fourth Gospel makes the Passover eaten in the evening after Jesus’ death.” (John 18:28) as John Fenton says. Most scholars believe that the timing of Matthew, Mark (and Luke) is correct and that John changed it for doctrinal reasons. (Interpretation of the Gospel of Matthew, p. 415) This is because John decides that the last supper that Jesus attended with his disciples was before the Passover. He says: “1 Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end. 2 And supper being ended, 3 Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come from God and was going to God, 4 rose from supper and laid aside His garments, took a towel and girded Himself. 5 After that, He poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded.” (John 13). John also states that they arrested Jesus on the evening of the day before eating the Passover.. in his saying: “28 Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.” (John 18). *** The difference between the Gospels regarding the Last Supper and its timing resulted in their disagreement on a fundamental point that is considered one of the most important elements of the crucifixion issue... namely, determining the day of the crucifixion. If we take the accounts of Mark, Matthew and Luke, then Jesus would have eaten the Passover with his disciples on Thursday evening... and then he would have been arrested shortly after that on the same Thursday evening... and thus the crucifixion would have taken place on Friday. As for accepting John's account, it means that the arrest was on Wednesday evening... and that the crucifixion took place on Thursday... *** Did the crucifixion happen on Thursday or Friday?!! 4 - The Last Supper and the traitorous disciple: Mark says: “17 In the evening He came with the twelve. 18 Now as they sat and ate, Jesus said, "Assuredly, I say to you, one of you who eats with Me will betray Me." 19 And they began to be sorrowful, and to say to Him one by one, "Is it I?" And another said, "Is it I?" 20 " He answered and said to them, "It is one of the twelve, who dips with Me in the dish. 21 " The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had never been born." (John 14). Matthew made some changes to Mark's account. Luke says: “ Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve. So he went his way and conferred with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray Him to them. So he promised and sought opportunity to betray Him to them in the absence of the multitude. …. When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. Then He said to them, "With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; … But behold, the hand of My betrayer is with Me on the table. … Then they began to question among themselves, which of them it was who would do this thing. “ (Luke 22: 3-23 ) As for John’s account, there is a difference in it that is easy to notice - from what the other three Gospels narrated. He says: “" 21 When Jesus had said these things, He was troubled in spirit, and testified and said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me." 22 Then the disciples looked at one another, perplexed about whom He spoke. 23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore motioned to him to ask who it was of whom He spoke. 25 Then, leaning back on Jesus' breast, he said to Him, "Lord, who is it?" 26 Jesus answered, "It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it." And having dipped the bread, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. 27 Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, "What you do, do quickly." 28 But no one at the table knew for what reason He said this to him. 29 For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, "Buy those things we need for the feast," or that he should give something to the poor. 30 Having received the piece of bread, he then went out immediately. And it was night. “(John 13). Regardless of the difference in the Gospels in Christ’s answer to his disciples about who the traitor was, the Gospel of Luke said: "He who dips in the dish" While the Gospel of John says: "To him I will dip the morsel and give it" But the important point regarding Judas’ betrayal is the difference between the Gospels regarding the incident of Satan’s entry into him. Here he decides that Satan entered Judas at least one day before the Last Supper (22:3-7). While John decides that Satan entered Judas after Jesus gave him the morsel (John 13:27)... during the Last Supper... This... and we will suffice with this amount in which we presented some elements of the crucifixion issue, which are: The anointing of Christ's body with perfume... then the preparation for the Last Supper - then the timing of the Last Supper and its impact on the crucifixion - and finally what was said about the Last Supper and the traitorous disciple... We will resume later, God willing, to complete the discussion of the crucifixion issue. And there's more to come... Your brother, Al-Athram |
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